By Jason Snell

October 30, 2019 4:58 PM PT

Last updated August 16, 2023

This is Tim: A transcript of Apple’s fourth quarter 2019 conference call with analysts

Want some more color on Apple’s latest financial results? Here’s a transcript of the give and take between Tim Cook, Apple CFO Luca Maestri, and a bunch of Wall Street analysts that traditionally follows the release of results.

Come for the attempts to get Tim Cook to release details he refuses to release, stay for the fond goodbyes to Apple Senior Director of Investor Relations Nancy Paxton, who is retiring after more than two decades on the job.

Tim Cook: Good afternoon and thanks to all of you for joining us, especially those of you listening in on our new noise-canceling AirPods Pro, which are available beginning today. This was Apple’s highest revenue in a September quarter ever. And I want to take you through some of the highlights before we get into greater detail on the conclusion of a remarkable fiscal 2019 for Apple.

We achieved revenue of 64 billion dollars in the quarter, at the high end of our expectations, even in spite of a predicted foreign exchange drag of almost a billion dollars.

Geographically, we set new Q4 revenue records in the Americas and rest of Asia Pacific and saw further improvement in our revenue trends in Greater China. In iPhone, where customers have only begun to get their hands on the strongly popular and unmatched iPhone 11 and iPhone 11 Pro models, our year over year performance continued to improve. More on that in a moment. Outside of iPhone, our September quarter revenue was up 17 percent. We reached a new all time high for services, with growth accelerating to 18 percent. We generated well over 50 percent revenue growth from wearables. And I’m thrilled to say that we set Q4 records for wearables in each and every market we track.

We’ve got a lot to cover, so let’s dive right into the details.

iPhone revenue in the September quarter was 33 billion dollars. This 9 percent decline over last year is a significant improvement over the 15 percent decline we saw across the first three quarters. The significant upswing in demand in the final part of the quarter is mirrored in the overwhelmingly positive reviews, customer feedback and in-store response we’ve seen for this new generation of devices, not to mention a wave of the best photos you’ve seen from a smartphone. iPhone 11 features the Apple designed A13 bionic, the fastest, most powerful chip ever in a smartphone, plus an all new dual camera system and even longer all day battery life, all wrapped in six great new colors. Since its launch, the iPhone 11 has quickly become our best selling iPhone.

iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max deliver even more advanced performance for users who want the very best out of their smartphone. The new Super Retina XDR display is the brightest ever in an iPhone and the new triple camera system provides a pro level photography experience with an ultra wide, wide and telephoto camera. All three of our new iPhones feature Night Mode, delivering huge improvements to photo capture in low light environments either indoors or outdoors. They also produce the highest quality video in a smartphone, supporting 4K video with extended dynamic range for more highlight detail and cinematic video stabilization.

IOS 13 is driving user experience forward across the iPhone family with a bold new look in dark mode, major updates to the apps our customers use every day, such as Photos and Maps, new ways to help protect their privacy with Sign in With Apple, and performance improvements across the entire system.

For services, revenue was 12.5 billion dollars. That’s up 18 percent over last year and it beats the previous record set in the June quarter by more than a billion dollars. This isn’t a local phenomenon. We saw double digit services revenue growth and all time records in all five of our geographic segments. And it wasn’t a narrow success either. We established new all time highs for multiple services categories, including the App Store, AppleCare, Music, Cloud Services and our App Store search ad business. We are well on our way to accomplishing our goal of doubling our fiscal year 16 services revenue during 2020.

I want to touch on a number of services in brief. We had all time record revenues from payment services. For Apple Pay, revenue and transactions more than doubled year over year, with over three billion transactions in the September quarter, exceeding PayPal’s number of transactions and growing four times as fast. Apple Pay is now live in 49 markets around the world, with over 6000 issuers on the platform. We believe that Apple Pay offers the best possible mobile payment experience and the safest, most secure solution on the market. We’re glad that thousands of banks around the world participate.

Apple Card launched in the U.S. in August, and we’ve been thrilled by the positive reception we’ve seen. Users can apply for Apple Card through the Wallet app on iPhone in minutes and start using it right away in stores, in apps and on Web sites. They’ve told us they love Apple Card’s simplicity, privacy, security and transparency, which has helped them make healthier financial choices. Apple Card has absolutely no fees, and major apps and retailers like Uber, Uber Eats, Walgreens, Duane Reade and T-Mobile have already joined to offer 3 percent daily cashback on Apple Card transactions. And I’m very pleased to announce today that later this year we’re adding another great feature to Apple Card. Customers will be able to purchase their new iPhone and pay for it over 24 months with zero interest. And they will continue to enjoy all the benefits of Apple Card, including 3 percent cashback on the total cost of their new iPhone with absolutely no fees and the ability to simply manage their payments right in the Apple Wallet app on iPhone. We think these features appeal broadly to all iPhone customers, and we believe this has been the most successful launch of a credit card in the United States ever.

Last month, we launched Apple Arcade, our groundbreaking game subscription service, offering an all new way for the whole family to enjoy games online or offline. Apple Arcade subscribers get unlimited access to a curated selection of games from many of the most innovative developers in the world, with almost 100 new titles playable across iPhone, iPad, iPod Touch, Mac and Apple TV today, and more are being added all the time. Customer feedback to date has been overwhelmingly positive and we’re very excited for the future of the service.

We’re also thrilled to be working with Oprah Winfrey to bring Oprah’s book club to Apple Books, connecting a community of readers worldwide to important stories by today’s most thought provoking authors. Together, we envision a vibrant global book club that has the power to bring the world together through reading.

[We’ve] also expanded the reach of Apple News plus beyond the United States and Canada to readers in Australia and the United Kingdom, bringing together popular publications such as The Times of London, The Australian and Hello magazine, in addition to major publications like The Wall Street Journal, The L.A. Times, The New Yorker, People, GQ and much more.

And rounding out our newest services, just two days from now, we’re launching the hotly anticipated Apple TV+ in over 100 countries and regions. It’s the first all original video subscription service, with shows from the best, most ambitious and most creative minds in the industry. One of the great perks of this job is that I’ve gotten to binge watch almost all of them. And while I won’t spoil anything, there’s so much to look forward to here for lovers of great storytelling. We’ve premiered shows like See and The Morning Show in L.A. and New York over the past couple of weeks, and the stage is set for a truly exciting debut. And we’re pleased that customers who have purchased qualifying Apple devices starting September 10th can opt in to 12 free months of Apple TV+.

Turning to wearables, we had amazing results thanks to the phenomenal popularity of Apple Watch, AirPods, and Beats products. As I said at the outset, we set Q4 revenue records for wearables in every single market that we track around the world. In September, we launched Apple Watch Series 5 with the always on retina display that means you never have to pause a workout or task to raise or tap the display. New location features help users better navigate their day, while international emergency calling allows them to call emergency services directly from Apple Watch in over 150 countries, even without an iPhone nearby. And combined with the power of watchOS 6 users are empowered to take charge of their health and fitness with new features like Cycle Tracking, the Noise app, and activity trends. The ECG app, now available in 32 markets, including India, has become a widely celebrated illustration of Apple’s commitment to your health, giving users the ability to document and monitor the functioning of their heart and provide critical data to their doctors. We’re deepening Apple’s commitment to medical research. We announced a new research app paired with three unprecedented medical studies spanning hearing, heart and movement, and women’s health. We’re collaborating with leading health institutions to reach more participants than has ever been possible, enabling them to contribute to potential medical discoveries and help create the next generation of innovative health products. Leveraging the devices customers use everyday and world class security and privacy, we hope to democratize medical research and bring everyone to the table to make the next big breakthroughs possible.

Turning to iPad, had we generated 17 percent growth driven by iPad Pro and the ongoing momentum of our wider lineup. In September, we introduced the seventh generation iPad, bringing more screen area and support for the full sized Smart Keyboard to our most popular and most affordable iPad. For the first time, we also released iPadOS, built on the same foundation as iOS, but with powerful apps designed for iPad’s large multi touch display, letting users multitask with intuitive gestures and drag and drop a file with a fingertip.

For Mac, we generated seven billion dollars in revenue. We had a tough comparison to last year’s fourth quarter when we updated both models of MacBook Pro, but for fiscal 2019 overall, we generated the highest annual revenue ever from our Mac business. In July, we updated our Mac portables with great pricing for students, and MacBook Air in particular has been a hit in the back to school season. Earlier this month, we released macOS Catalina with all new entertainment apps, the innovative Sidecar feature that uses iPad to expand the Mac workspace and new accessibility tools that enable users to control their Mac entirely with their voice. Catalina also brings the Apple Arcade experience to the Mac, and we’re already seeing some amazing third party developers bring their iPad apps to the Mac App Store with Mac Catalyst, including Twitter, Post It, and more. And for our pro customers who push the limits of what Mac can do, we’re very excited about the upcoming launch of our newly redesigned Mac Pro this fall, which we are proud to be manufacturing in Austin, Texas.

Pulling back the lens from a single quarter, we are incredibly proud of our accomplishments over the course of a remarkable fiscal 2019, a year where we crossed 100 billion dollars in revenue in the United States for the first time. We introduced new services from Apple Card to Apple TV+ and generated over 46 billion dollars in total services revenue, setting new yearly services records in all five of our geographic segments and driving our services business to the size of a Fortune 70 company. We delivered incredible new hardware in all our device categories. Our wearables business showed explosive growth and generated more annual revenue than two thirds of the companies in the Fortune 500. And we set a yearly revenue record for Mac. All told, outside of iPhone, our revenue grew by 17 billion dollars to almost 118 billion dollars. Our overall success was achieved widely across our markets with annual revenue records in the US, Canada, Brazil, the UK, Germany, France, Italy, Poland, Korea, Malaysia, the Philippines and Vietnam.

And as we head into the holiday season, we have an enormous amount to look forward to. We believe that we lead in innovation because we lead with our values. At a time of urgency and action on climate change, we continue to drive breakthroughs in clean power, sustainable materials and device recycling. By running 100 percent of our global operations on renewable energy and challenging our entire network of suppliers do the same, we’re driving a virtuous cycle of demand for clean sources of power. And we see the award Apple recently received from the United Nations Global Climate Action Program as a mandate to deepen this vital work. We continue to invent and improve on cutting edge renewable materials, including the 100 percent recycled aluminum alloy found in many of our products. And we’ve added rare earth elements to our list of recycled materials with the introduction of iPhone 11. We’re disassembling, recycling or refurbishing millions of devices every year with the help of Daisy, our recycling robot. And we’re pushing the entire global supply chain toward recycled or renewable materials.

We’re driving access to critical coding skills, development to educators and students through programs such as our teaching coding academies and our free Everyone Ean Code curriculum. We continue to put user privacy at the center of everything that we do. And we know that Apple is strongest when our commitment to diversity and inclusion brings all voices to the table. I’d like to think our customers, our developers, our business partners, and our employees for making fiscal 2019 such a success. And I look forward to another great year in 2020. Now for more details on our September quarter results, I’ll turn the call over to Luca.

Luca Maestri: Thank you, Tim. Good afternoon, everyone. Revenue for the quarter was 64 billion, up 2 percent from a year ago to a new September quarter record. As we had predicted, foreign exchange negatively impacted our revenue by close to a billion dollars. And in constant currency, our growth was 3 percent. Products revenue was 51.5 billion, down one percent from last year, mainly due to iPhone, but largely offset by very strong performance from wearables and iPad. Services, revenue grew 18 percent to 12.5 billion, up over 1.9 billion year over year and almost 1.1 billion sequentially, to a new all time record, with broad based growth around the world and across our portfolio.

On a geographic basis, we set new fourth quarter revenue records in our Americas and Rest of Asia-Pacific segments. We also saw continuous improvement in Greater China, where year over year revenue comparisons became more favorable each quarter of fiscal 2019 from a 27 percent decline in the first quarter to a 2 percent decline in the fourth quarter. At a country level, we established new Q4 records in many major developed and emerging markets, including the U.S., Canada, Germany, France, Korea, Singapore, Brazil, India, Thailand, Malaysia and Vietnam. Company gross margin was 38 percent, up 40 basis points sequentially, driven by leverage from higher revenue.

Products gross margin was 31.6 percent, up 120 basis points sequentially due to leverage and favorable mix. Services gross margin was 64.1 percent, even with the June quarter. Net income was 13.7 billion. Diluted EPS was a Q4 record at three dollars and three cents and up 4 percent year over year. And operating cash flow of 19.9 billion was also a Q4 record, up almost 400 million from the previous record we set last year.

Let me get into more detail for each of our revenue categories. iPhone revenue was 33.4 billion, a year over year decline of 9 percent. This was a meaningful improvement to the 12 percent decline in the third quarter and the 16 percent decline in the first half of the fiscal year. And we saw great customer response to the launch of iPhone 11, 11 Pro, and 11 Pro Max at the end of the quarter. Our active installed base of iPhone continued to grow to a new all time high in each of our geographic segments. And in the U.S., the latest survey of consumers from 451 research indicates iPhone customer satisfaction of 99 percent for iPhone XR, XS, and XS Max combined. Among business buyers who plan to purchase smartphones in the December quarter, 83 percent plan to purchase iPhones.

Turning to services, we had a very strong quarter with all time record performance and growth accelerating from the June quarter. All five geographic segments set new all time services revenue records and all grew double digits. We also established new all time records for the App Store, AppleCare, Music, Cloud Services, Payment Services and our App Store search ad business. In total, services accounted for 20 percent of our revenue mix and 33 percent of our gross margin mix.

Customer engagement in our ecosystem continues to grow, and the number of both transacting and paid accounts on our digital content stores reached a new all time high with double digit growth in paid accounts in all our geographic segments. We now have over 450 million paid subscriptions across the services on our platform compared to over 330 million just a year ago. And we are well on our way to our goal of surpassing the 500 million mark during 2020. App Store revenue grew strong double digits thanks to robust customer demand for both in-app purchases and subscriptions. Our third party subscription business grew across multiple categories and increased almost 40 percent year over year. There are now more than 35,000 subscription apps on our platform, with the largest accounting for less than zero point twenty five percent of total services revenue. Among our many all-time services records, it was the best quarter ever for AppleCare, thanks to strong service agreement attach rates and expanded distribution. And to better meet our customers’ needs, we announced a new iPhone repair program, making it easier for independent providers across the US to tap into the same resources as our Apple authorized service provider network, and offering customers additional options for the most common out of warranty iPhone repairs. The new program complements our continued investment in our growing global network of over 5000 Apple authorized service providers that lead the industry for customer satisfaction and helped millions of people with both in- and out-of-warranty service for all Apple products.

Next, I’d like to talk about the Mac. Revenue was 7 billion, down 5 percent from last year due to a different mix of products, given the strength of our MacBook Air lineup and a difficult comparison to last year’s launch of MacBook Pro models. Despite the tough compare, we generated an all time revenue record for Mac in the US and in India. And a fourth quarter revenue record in Japan. More than half of the customers purchasing Macs during the quarter were new to Mac, and the active installed base of Macs again reached a new all time high.

We had great results for iPad, with revenue of 4.7 billion, up 17 percent from a year ago. iPad revenue grew in all five of our geographic segments, with a Q4 revenue record in Japan. In total, over half of the customers purchasing iPads during the September quarter were new to iPad and the iPad active installed base also reached a new all time high. The most recent surveys from 451 research measured a 95 percent customer satisfaction rating for iPad from consumers and 97 percent from businesses. And among both consumers and businesses who plan to purchase tablets in the December quarter, more than 80 percent plan to purchase iPods.

Wearables, home and accessories established a new fourth quarter record with revenue of 6.5 billion, up 54 percent year over year, with growth accelerating from the third quarter across all five geographic segments. The performance was driven by tremendous growth across Apple Watch, AirPods, Beats products, and accessories. And as Tim mentioned, we set Q4 records for our wearables category in every single market we track around the world.

Our retail and online stores produce fantastic results, generating record September quarter revenue in all five geographic segments and strong double-digit growth across iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch and accessories. We also continue to see great results from our trade-in program, with more than five times the iPhone trade-in volume we had a year ago.

Last month we reopened the stunning Apple Fifth Avenue store in New York with an even more welcoming layout beneath the landmark Glass Cube, providing nearly twice the space of the original store. This iconic store is open seven days a week, 24 hours a day, and provides an even better environment for customers to experience our latest products, meet with our Geniuses, Creative Pros and Specialists and attend our free daily Today at Apple sessions. We also opened our newest and largest store in Japan and fifth store in Tokyo in their Marunouchi Business District across from the historic Tokyo Station, and we opened a beautiful new store in the heart of Mexico City’s vibrant Polanco district to welcome visitors to experience the best of Apple in Mexico.

We are seeing strong demand for our products in the enterprise market, with growth significantly ahead of our business overall, and we have great momentum transforming major industries. One example is retail. Eighty of the 100 largest retailers in the world are choosing Apple to modernize their customers and employee experiences across all functions of their business. Retailers are using iPhone, iPad, and Mac to optimize their back of house operations, modernize point of sale, and deliver differentiated customer and employee experiences. Customer engagement and assisted selling have been areas of particular focus, and we’re seeing great results for iconic brands such as Burberry, Ralph Lauren, Sephora USA, Gap Inc., and many others.

We’re also helping government agencies around the world use technologies to improve the effectiveness and efficiency of the way they deliver critical services to the public. For example, the US Census Bureau is making fundamental changes to the design and implementation of next year’s census with a goal of producing quality results while reducing costs by leveraging the mobility, user experience and privacy of iOS. Hundreds of thousands of Apple devices will be deployed this fiscal year to support an innovative new model for the collection and management of census data. And we are proud that our products will play an important role in driving quality to this critical initiative, while safeguarding the privacy and security of this data. CDW, Apple’s partner in this initiative, will also utilize Apple Financial Services, our enterprise financing platform, to help minimize the cost to the public by taking advantage of the uniquely strong residual value of Apple devices.

Let me now turn to our cash position. We ended the quarter with almost 206 billion in cash plus marketable securities. We issued seven billion of new term debt, retired three billion of maturing debt, and reduced commercial paper by four billion during the quarter, leaving us with total debt of 108 billion. As a result, net cash was 98 billion at the end of the quarter and we continue on our path to reaching a net cash neutral position over time. We returned over 21 billion to shareholders during the September quarter, including almost 18 billion through open market repurchases of 86 million Apple shares and 3.5 billion in dividends and equivalents. We also retired an additional seven million shares in the final settlement of our 14th ASR.

As we move ahead into the December quarter, I’d like to review our outlook, which includes the type of forward looking information that Nancy referred to at the beginning of the call. We expect revenue to be between 85.5 and 89.5 billion dollars. This range includes a negative impact from foreign exchange of over a billion. We expect gross margin to be between 37.5 and 38.5 percent. We expect OpEx to be between 9.6 and 9.8 billion. We expect OINE to be about 200 million, and we expect the tax rate to be about 16.5 percent. Also today, our board of directors has declared a cash dividend of 77 cents per share of common stock payable on November 14, 2019 to shareholders of record as of November 11, 2019.

Before we open the call to questions, I also have a special announcement to make today. Nancy Paxton, our head of Investor Relations for the last 23 years, has decided to retire at the end of December after a wonderful 33 year career at Apple and 93 earnings calls. Nancy has been the face of Apple with analysts and investors over over a period of incredible growth and success. Her passion for our company, her commitment and dedication to serve our entire investor base and her sense of humor will be missed greatly. Personally, I’m very grateful for the advice and support you are giving me during these last six years. We all wish you the very best for the next and exciting phase of your life. With that, let us open the call to questions.

Nancy Paxton: Thank you very much for the kind remarks. Luca, it’s obviously been a great privilege for me to engage with so many investors and analysts on behalf of Apple over the last couple of decades. And of course, it’s been an extreme pleasure to work alongside so many brilliant people here at Apple on a day to day basis. But let’s get to the business at hand for the 93rd time and open the call to questions.

Katy Huberty, Morgan Stanley: Congratulations on the quarter. iPhone revenue trajectory did improve, but it still declined 9 percent. So can you talk about the drivers that will allow you to get that category back to growth? And if you think that’s something that’s realistic to expect in fiscal 20.

Tim Cook: Katie, it’s Tim. We’re very thrilled with what we’re seeing in the early going on IPhone 11 and iPhone 11 Pro and Pro Max. You know, it’s early, but the trends look very good. So I don’t want to make a long range forecast here. We’ve put our current thinking in the guidance, and you can tell that from the guidance we are bullish.

Katy Huberty: Great. And Luca, on margins: Guidance is consistent with September, but there’s a lot going on under the covers. Tariffs could expand in mid-December. There’s some impact from the TV+ bundle. You have some big currency and commodity price moves. So can you just talk about the gives and takes that land you at the December quarter gross margin guidance?

Luca Maestri: Yes, of course, as you said, at the midpoint of the range, we are essentially flat sequentially. On the positive side, we expect leverage from higher revenue. On the other side, foreign exchange for us continues to be probably the biggest headwind that we’ve got right now. It’s going to be negative 70 basis points on a sequential basis. Also, keep in mind that during the holiday season, we have a higher mix of products revenue than we have in other quarters, and that obviously is dilutive to the company margin. On a year over year basis, we are also about flat, and on one side we’ve got better commodity pricing, the environment is better than than it was a year ago, but foreign exchange is a negative impact of 120 basis points on a year over year basis.

Mike Olson, Piper Jaffray: So wearables category has been strong and it’s hard to believe it’s now essentially the same size as Mac, but related to Apple’s initiatives in health care. Do you think health related features are a primary driver of wearables growth? And maybe conversely, how important is a rising installed base of wearables and the data that’s associated with that to the ongoing innovation within Apple health?

Tim Cook: Michael, it’s Tim. The wearables have done extremely well, it was acceleration further from the previous quarter, and so we’re thrilled with the results. As to what’s driving it, it’s the totality that’s driving it. For some people, it’s about fitness. For some people, it’s about health. For some other people, it’s about communication. And in the end, for some people, it’s all of the above. And I think the new feature of Always On on Series 5 is a game changer for many of our users. And in terms of other health related things that we have going, we will be continuing to build out our health records connection into the health app. It really democratizes the information about people’s health. And so they can easily go from doctor to doctor. We’ve got the research going that that I mentioned earlier. There will be more of those through time. And obviously that we’ve got things that we’re not going to talk about just yet that we’re working on. But as I’ve said before, my view is there will be a day in the future that we look back and Apple’s greatest contribution will be to people’s health.

Mike Olson: Thanks. And then with the strong slate of content in Apple TV+, can you just talk about the strategy behind giving it away to those that are buying an applicable device versus charging for it.

Tim Cook: Yeah, it’s it’s a gift to our users, and from a business point of view, we’re really proud of the content, we’d like as many people as possible to to view it. And so this allows us to focus on maximizing subscribers, particularly in the early going. And so we feel great about doing that. I think it’s a bold move. And the price also, for those people that are not buying a device in the period of time that we offer this, the price is very aggressive as well. You think about the quality of content that you get for $4.99 and it’s amazing. It is amazing.

Amit Daryanani, Evercore: Tim, if you think about the Services business, you’re less than 2 billion away from the targets laid out a few years back. But I’m wondering if you think about the growth rates you’ve had in the business of the last several years, the high teens average, I think. How much of that do you think was driven by the installed base growing vs. incremental monetization of the installed base? And do you see that ratio essentially flipping or changing as you go forward?

Tim Cook: I think we have opportunities, Amit, in both. The growth of the installed base, as Luca mentioned in his comments, we continue to grow across every category, hit new highs in the last quarter, and we hit new highs in all of our top 20 markets. And so the installed base is clearly a piece of it. Getting the trade-in program going and the secondary market moving has been helpful in that as well. And of course, ultimately the thing that builds the install base is to make customers happy. And that that’s always our top objective is to have satisfied customers. The other thing that is obviously happening is in many areas the ARPU is increasing. And so as there’s more offers out there—the one that is today getting the attention is on the streaming side—but if you look at the number of services that have been added over over the years, it’s significant. And people love them. And and so it’s really both of those. And obviously and finally, in getting more people that are enjoying things for free to elect to pay for some of the premium services. So it’s all sort of all three of those.

Amit Daryanani: I’m just gonna go back to the wearables discussion. I mean, especially I think about Apple Watch and AirPods. Is there a sense or way to think about what the attach rate is today to iOS devices for Apple Watch or AirPods? I’m trying to understand, if I think about the 900 million plus iPhone installed base, what kind of penetration do you have in wearables and how long could this one maybe as you go forward?

Tim Cook: Well, we’re not releasing the precise numbers of our wearables, but is a really nice try in getting me to say that. (laughs) What we’re seeing in terms of new ads on the watch, I think Luca may have mentioned this in his comments, is about three quarters of the Apple Watch buyers are new to Apple Watch. And so we are still significantly in the build mode there. And so don’t think of the penetration as anywhere near a sort of a mature penetration. We got a lot left there. And the AirPods just keep hitting new highs. And I anticipate that will carry over to this quarter, too. And we’re really proud to to add another product out there for people wanting noise canceling with the AirPod Pro beginning to sell today.

Shannon Cross, Cross Research: First, Nancy, I just want to send you our best wishes. We’ll definitely miss you. I agree with Luca, you’ve been very instrumental into the years.

Nancy Paxton: Thank you.

Shannon Cross: My question, though, with regard to China. And I don’t know, Tim, if you can talk more about what you’re seeing in China, the trends during the quarter. You know, the reception specifically there to the iPhone. Any thoughts on, you know, Hong Kong used to be a big market. There’s obviously some turmoil there. So if you provide some more in China, that would be helpful. Thank you.

Tim Cook: Yeah. We had a very good September, Shannon. And the lead of that is sort of the reception of iPhone 11 and 11 Pro and 11 Pro Max. And so we feel really good about how we’ve gotten started there. As you can tell from the numbers, we’ve significantly improved since the beginning of the year. We’ve gone from minus well into the 20s to minus two last quarter. And if you looked at that constant currency, we actually grew one. And so there’s a very slight growth there. We obviously want that to be better, but we feel good about how we’re doing. I think it’s a combination of things that have turned things around. On a macro basis, I think the trade tension is less and that clearly looks positive right now with the comments that we’ve been reading in the press. Secondly, the products have been extremely well received there. Third, the things that we’ve done from a pricing and monthly payments point of view and trade-in, getting the trade-in program up and running, all of these things have had moved the dial. And so it’s sort of the sum of all of that. I would also say it’s not all about iPhone in China. The services area grew double digit. We began to see more gaming approvals in the quarter. Or I should say, some key gaming approvals. It’s not all about quantity, but about which ones. We saw that. Also wearables, where wearables are doing so great at a company level, they’re doing even better in China. And so lots of lots of positives there.

Shannon Cross: Thank you. And then I’m curious, Luca, maybe you can talk a bit about how you think about operating expense growth. It continues to grow significantly faster than revenue. So I’m just curious as to where you’re targeting the incremental spend. And then, you know, is there a point at which we might just see some leverage?

Luca Maestri: Well, you know, Shannon, we’ve gone through different cycles. In some cases, our revenue growth exceeds our OpEx growth. In other cases, like fiscal 19, it was the other way round. But our approach, frankly, is not changing over time. We we want to invest in the business. Our primary investments during the last few years have been in the R&D space because obviously we want to continue to innovate, improve the user experience, differentiate our products. We continue to SGNA tightly. Obviously, if you look at what we’ve launched in the last few quarters and few years, we launch a lot of new products and now we’re launching a lot of new services. And when we do that, we need to make the adequate investments in marketing and advertising to raise the awareness of the new products and new services. And that is what you’re seeing, for example, in the guidance that we provided for the first quarter as [we’re] launching new services right now. And so we are making investments both in engineering and in advertising to support the new launches.

Toni Sacconaghi, Bernstein: If I look at your guidance, the midpoint of your guidance for revenues on a sequential basis, it’s up about thirty six and a half percent. Historically, fiscal Q4 to Q1 was up 50 percent or more. And even last year, given that iPhone is a slower growing product, you guided for revenues to be up 45 percent sequentially. So given the enthusiasm about the iPhone 11 launch and the new wearables products and the new services, I guess the question is, why is your guidance not stronger for Q1 on the top line? And is that sort of a reflection of conservatism, given that, you know, there’s a lot of uncertainty in the world and we certainly saw that last year? Or are there other forces at work that we should be considering?

Luca Maestri: The guidance that we are providing, if you look at it at the midpoint, implies an acceleration of growth from the performance that we’ve seen during the course of fiscal 19. As I said earlier, foreign exchange is clearly a headwind for us right now. This is about a billion one of negative foreign exchange on a on a year over year basis. So that that is something to keep in mind. We feel very good, as Tim said, about the iPhone, the way the new cycle has started. And we do expect an improvement in our year over year growth rate on on iPhone. Wearables has very, very strong momentum. The portfolio services also has incredible momentum. One thing to keep in mind as we look at this guidance range is the fact that we also contemplated the comparison to the launch of the iPad Pro a year ago for iPad, as well as the new MacBook Air that was launched during the December quarter last year. So for the iPad and Mac categories, you need to keep in mind that our launch timing is different on a year over year basis.

Toni Sacconaghi: And then if I could follow up, just on the bundling of Apple TV+. I guess for you, Tim. You know, this is really the first time we’ve seen a significant bundling of services offering and a hardware offering. And I’m wondering if you view this as kind of a strategic advantage of Apple and whether we might see more hardware plus services offerings, bundled offerings and ultimately, do you ever believe that your hardware itself might be offered as as a bundled service? And maybe while we’re on that, either you or Luca could could give us the 30 second tutorial on how we should think about the deferred revenue accounting, approximately how much of the 60 dollars are you going to be deferring? And what’s your expectation for attach rate on that?

Luca Maestri: Let me cover that accounting issue first. Obviously, we need to make some assumptions around the take rate of our customers on Apple TV+, right? And we don’t want to get into the details of that because we view those assumptions as as confidential and competitively sensitive. But you need to keep in mind that we contemplate a number of factors, including the fact that we have family sharing as part of the service. The fact that there are multiple device purchases, the geographic availability around the world, the availability of local content at the beginning of the service, how many people do we have with payment methods on file… So we use all these things to make assumptions around what the take rate is going to be. Obviously those assumptions will possibly change over time as we get more information on how the customers behave. We haven’t launched the service yet. We’re gonna start serving our customers tomorrow. So we’ll see how it goes. But we take into account all these different factors.

Tim Cook: On the bundle question, Toni, we look at each service and decide what’s best to do for it and with TV+, we concluded that a great way to get more people to see the content would be to do this and it would be a good gift for our users. And so that’s what we’re doing. You can also see that on the other services, we’re not doing that. And so it’s not part of a broader pattern, although I wouldn’t want to rule out for the future that we might not see another opportunity at some point in time. In terms of hardware as a service or as a bundle, if you will, there are customers today that essentially view the hardware like that, because they’re on upgrade plans and so forth. And so to some degree that exists today. My perspective is, that will grow in the future to larger numbers that’ll grow disproportionately. And one of the things we’re doing is trying to make it simpler and simpler for people to get on these sort of monthly financing kind of things. That’s a part of what we announced with the Apple Card earlier in the call. So we’re cognizant that there are lots of users out there that want sort of a recurring payment like that and the receipt of new products on some sort of standard kind of basis. And we’re committed to make that easier to do than than perhaps it is today.

Chris Caso, Raymond James: Nancy, our congratulations to you, too. And we’re going to miss you.

Nancy Paxton: Thank you.

Chris Caso: My first question is about about pricing and the effect of some of the lower price points for iPhone 11 as compared to last year. And it looked like margins and revenues did well on that, and also followed some price adjustments you made in emerging markets last year, and obviously, we’ve seen some improvement in China as well. So if you could talk about maybe what that tells us about pricing strategy in general, and perhaps that you’re willing take a little more flexible approach to drive some elasticity if you think that’s going to have a positive effect?

Tim Cook: Chris, I think that the price gains we’ve made have been smart and well-received and do show a level of elasticity. But the most important thing by far is the product. And I think we’ve got the best lineup we’ve ever had, and the customer response to the product and what the product does for them is really incredible. The photos I’m getting from many users around the world are just incredible, that people are taking. And so I think it’s product first, and then price just sort of falls out of that. And we did decide to to be more aggressive and looking at the results in the early going, I think it was the right call. In terms of emerging markets, we picked sort of locally relevant prices, and in some cases where the dollar had become stronger, we took an exchange rate that would have reflected a while back instead of the current exchange rate. In other words, we tried to stay as close as we could to a local price point that we knew was effective for that particular market. And those, in addition to the U.S. price that has gotten more of a discussion, have been extremely well received.

Chris Caso: As a follow on, perhaps you could talk about the potential for some of the tariffs that are upcoming. Do you have a view of what potential impact that could have going forward, and how Apple is is is looking to address it? Will you need to adjust your own pricing if, in fact, the tariffs are imposed.

Tim Cook: We’re paying some tariffs today, as you know, some that went into effect pre September and some others that went into effect in September. So we are paying some, that’s been comprehended. But in general, my view is very positive in terms of how things are going. And that positive view is obviously factored in our guidance as well. And the tone, I think, has changed significantly. And I have long thought that it was in both countries’ best interest to get to an agreement that maybe initially doesn’t solve everything, but solves some things that each party may want and get to a better place than where we’re at. And I’m hopeful that that’s where we’re headed.

Samik Chatterjee, J.P. Morgan: I just want to start off with one of the new services, Apple Arcade, and if you have any insight in terms of what you’re seeing for engagement or retention of customers being the initial trial period. Also how are your partnerships with developers progressing there, and how does the pipeline look like, and any early projections of what that business longer term might look like?

Tim Cook: We’re not going to give out projections on it, but I would tell you that we were really pleased with the number of people that entered the trial period. People are just coming out of the 30-day trial period in the last few days or week or so. And so it’s really too early to tell what the conversion rate will be. But I feel like we’re off to a good start and most important of everything, the customer feedback to date has really been incredible. And we’re very excited for the future of the service.

Samik Chatterjee: If I can attack the wearables question with another angle. What are you seeing in terms of consumer behavior in upgrading wearables like Apple Watch or AirPods and how are you thinking your ability to actuate that replacement cycle by driving innovation?

Tim Cook: Because the watch is relatively young, we haven’t seen enough upgrade cycles to really establish a pattern as yet. And as I’d mentioned before, three out of four customers buying an Apple Watch last quarter were buying an Apple Watch for the first time. And so there’s still a very, very large new to Apple Watch in this regard. I do think the upgrade market will get larger over time, but just don’t have a current view as to how often and so forth. On the AirPods, we’re anxious to see the customers for the new AirPod Pro. But I would guess that one, particularly in the early going, will be people that have AirPods today and want to also have a pair for the times that they need noise cancelation.

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